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	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TheBigN</title>
		<link>http://bignanime.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/my-delusion-as-a-fanboy-i-need-to-get-over-myself-or-how-watching-cosplay-is-a-starting-step-in-self-introspection/#comment-4499</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBigN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem at all. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem at all. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: newgeekphilosopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>newgeekphilosopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 07:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TheBigN:

I've noticed you've given meaningful responses to my comments, can we be Blog Buddies? (blogroll)</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve noticed you&#8217;ve given meaningful responses to my comments, can we be Blog Buddies? (blogroll)</p>
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		<title>By: TheBigN</title>
		<link>http://bignanime.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/my-delusion-as-a-fanboy-i-need-to-get-over-myself-or-how-watching-cosplay-is-a-starting-step-in-self-introspection/#comment-4495</link>
		<dc:creator>TheBigN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 21:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason Martin: Probably, especially since I haven't experienced cosplay for myself as an example. But as you've said, things tend to be more toned down with other fandoms, though with anime, people tend to be a bit more outwardly exuberant than normal.  I don't want to pin it on a single reason like how most of the cosplaying fanbase are teenagers or anything like that, because I think the issue is much more complicated than just finding a scapegoat.  Maybe it's because initially, we see anime as hyper as well, and it's just a natural extension of that idea. As a start. :P 

xmisery: That's definitely what I'll try to do in the future. :3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason Martin: Probably, especially since I haven&#8217;t experienced cosplay for myself as an example. But as you&#8217;ve said, things tend to be more toned down with other fandoms, though with anime, people tend to be a bit more outwardly exuberant than normal.  I don&#8217;t want to pin it on a single reason like how most of the cosplaying fanbase are teenagers or anything like that, because I think the issue is much more complicated than just finding a scapegoat.  Maybe it&#8217;s because initially, we see anime as hyper as well, and it&#8217;s just a natural extension of that idea. As a start. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>xmisery: That&#8217;s definitely what I&#8217;ll try to do in the future. :3</p>
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		<title>By: xmisery</title>
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		<dc:creator>xmisery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 06:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's shocking sometimes when you don't really know any of the people who are cosplaying in an event, yet you feel like they're doing something wrong, you feel like "wtf is wrong here"ish. But I can understand, you try to maintain a certain status-quo. To these genera which in a certain not specifically typed manner, your own. They disgrace you?

I've learned that it's just cool to laugh it off, bring a friend and say "hey, 'twas a nice try ey" Could be worse :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s shocking sometimes when you don&#8217;t really know any of the people who are cosplaying in an event, yet you feel like they&#8217;re doing something wrong, you feel like &#8220;wtf is wrong here&#8221;ish. But I can understand, you try to maintain a certain status-quo. To these genera which in a certain not specifically typed manner, your own. They disgrace you?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned that it&#8217;s just cool to laugh it off, bring a friend and say &#8220;hey, &#8217;twas a nice try ey&#8221; Could be worse <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anime fans are far and few in the place I live, it's there, but it's not in your face. Places like JB Hi-Fi sell Anime DVDs in Australia, but you don't really see people dressed up like Anime characters.

I went to a Neil Gaiman signing and book talk the other day. You heard of The Sandman, no? People in the line to get things signed were dressed up like Sandman characters and dandies. It was the closest thing to Cosplay I've ever experienced, and even though it wasn't Japanese, I felt the comradery between fans deeply. Nobody was dissing each other there.

I guess since I haven't tried Cosplay I can't judge too much, but I do understand the sense of belonging these fans feel, and the fun they get from the dressing up.

Maybe experiencing something closer to your own culture before you dive into Cosplay would build a better understanding of fandoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anime fans are far and few in the place I live, it&#8217;s there, but it&#8217;s not in your face. Places like JB Hi-Fi sell Anime DVDs in Australia, but you don&#8217;t really see people dressed up like Anime characters.</p>
<p>I went to a Neil Gaiman signing and book talk the other day. You heard of The Sandman, no? People in the line to get things signed were dressed up like Sandman characters and dandies. It was the closest thing to Cosplay I&#8217;ve ever experienced, and even though it wasn&#8217;t Japanese, I felt the comradery between fans deeply. Nobody was dissing each other there.</p>
<p>I guess since I haven&#8217;t tried Cosplay I can&#8217;t judge too much, but I do understand the sense of belonging these fans feel, and the fun they get from the dressing up.</p>
<p>Maybe experiencing something closer to your own culture before you dive into Cosplay would build a better understanding of fandoms.</p>
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		<title>By: My Delusions as a Fanboy: Down That Slippery Slope to the End of the World &#171; Drastic My Anime Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Delusions as a Fanboy: Down That Slippery Slope to the End of the World &#171; Drastic My Anime Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is sort of a continuation from my last installment in this category from my experience at the D.C. Sakura Matsuri. As you recall, I immediately [...]</description>
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		<title>By: In My View: Elite elitists and their elitism &#171; In Search of Number Nine</title>
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		<dc:creator>In My View: Elite elitists and their elitism &#171; In Search of Number Nine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] doesn&#8217;t make them elitists though. It&#8217;s funny because TheBigN&#8217;s post about elitism reminded me of my own experiences with role playing. And when I say role playing, I mean table top [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] doesn&#8217;t make them elitists though. It&#8217;s funny because TheBigN&#8217;s post about elitism reminded me of my own experiences with role playing. And when I say role playing, I mean table top [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TheBigN</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBigN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>super rats: Yeah, common courtesy wasn't affected here, so that's a non-issue. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;In the same way, that fat sweaty otaku at the con, doesn’t represent me. He’s got nothing to do with me at all…&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Indeed. A lot of my reaction there is due to thinking that I'm also representing the anime culture by being a fan. And from that, I'm thinking "why aren't these people representing the anime culture as well as they could?" But that's just conceited, and I'm trying to get out of that mindset. How am I supposed to know what these people can or should do, for example? It's silly thinking like that. :P 

digitalboy: As long as you aren't blasting it from hell to high water instead of just leaving it alone. :P 

Os: You &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; help it, I'd like to think.  I don't like to think that I'm better than anyone else, and it's sad when this does happen, and in a hobby that I love as well. :/

And even if you turn out to be an asshole, we'll love you anyway. :3

Caitlin: I think the problem is that in this aspect, a lot of us are pessimistic that anime will ever get mainstream overall acceptance. Especially when there are darker aspects of anime that people try to hide rather than explain that they in fact do exist. 

A show like &lt;i&gt;Kanokon&lt;/i&gt; is going to exist whether people like it or not, but you admit that it exists, that you don't care about it, and move on. It's not like a lot of people are going to say "THIS IS WHY ANIME IS BAD!", as much as we fear that. But we can't progress without making mistakes, and I just hope that the fan culture is able to allow itself to fail sometimes. :)

koneko-chan: As I said before, it's the "unusual" aspect that anime has in terms of where it originated that also hinders a seamless acceptance. And I'm not sure how long it will take for things in the US to become more open and accommodating to something like anime, but it seems like it might take a while. 

And as for "unenlightened" fans, I don't look at them like that, but just as people with different interests. But just because there are different interests doesn't mean that there's not any common ground between them, other than sharing a passion for anime that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>super rats: Yeah, common courtesy wasn&#8217;t affected here, so that&#8217;s a non-issue. </p>
<blockquote><p>In the same way, that fat sweaty otaku at the con, doesn’t represent me. He’s got nothing to do with me at all…</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed. A lot of my reaction there is due to thinking that I&#8217;m also representing the anime culture by being a fan. And from that, I&#8217;m thinking &#8220;why aren&#8217;t these people representing the anime culture as well as they could?&#8221; But that&#8217;s just conceited, and I&#8217;m trying to get out of that mindset. How am I supposed to know what these people can or should do, for example? It&#8217;s silly thinking like that. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>digitalboy: As long as you aren&#8217;t blasting it from hell to high water instead of just leaving it alone. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Os: You <i>can</i> help it, I&#8217;d like to think.  I don&#8217;t like to think that I&#8217;m better than anyone else, and it&#8217;s sad when this does happen, and in a hobby that I love as well. :/</p>
<p>And even if you turn out to be an asshole, we&#8217;ll love you anyway. :3</p>
<p>Caitlin: I think the problem is that in this aspect, a lot of us are pessimistic that anime will ever get mainstream overall acceptance. Especially when there are darker aspects of anime that people try to hide rather than explain that they in fact do exist. </p>
<p>A show like <i>Kanokon</i> is going to exist whether people like it or not, but you admit that it exists, that you don&#8217;t care about it, and move on. It&#8217;s not like a lot of people are going to say &#8220;THIS IS WHY ANIME IS BAD!&#8221;, as much as we fear that. But we can&#8217;t progress without making mistakes, and I just hope that the fan culture is able to allow itself to fail sometimes. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>koneko-chan: As I said before, it&#8217;s the &#8220;unusual&#8221; aspect that anime has in terms of where it originated that also hinders a seamless acceptance. And I&#8217;m not sure how long it will take for things in the US to become more open and accommodating to something like anime, but it seems like it might take a while. </p>
<p>And as for &#8220;unenlightened&#8221; fans, I don&#8217;t look at them like that, but just as people with different interests. But just because there are different interests doesn&#8217;t mean that there&#8217;s not any common ground between them, other than sharing a passion for anime that is.</p>
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		<title>By: koneko-chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>koneko-chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, reading through a good chunk of this post made me feel like I was going through an otaku mid-life crisis. Now I have the sudden urge to buy out all the anime in a Best Buy and drive back in a new Porsche convertible. But to get back to subject...

I find this not about otaku elitism but more about being an enlightened anime fan. No matter how you slice it, anime culture is reflective of its source culture, Japan. In America, anime has grown along more or less with sci-fi, fantasy and nerd culture. The unfortunate result is this culture disconnect. Mainstream American anime fans still mostly equate anime to a Western sci-fi, fantasy and action cartoon art form. Many don't realize that there is an inherent Asian culture behind anime. This is why moe culture still has not been respected by mainstream American anime fandom. There's no Western culture equivalent to moe. Thus, moe has become a disgusting anime anomaly in the Western mindset.

As for feeling bad about your fellow American otaku, that's understandable. I find myself recommending shows which reveal elements of Japanese culture to these kinds of fans more often. I often consider myself a purveyor of Asian culture along with promoting anime culture. If anything, at least those unenlightened (cuz saying "stupid" is kinda mean) fans went to a cherry blossom festival and at least experienced some traditional Asian culture.

Yay for cherry blossom festivals. Philadelphia had theirs last weekend as well. But I burned myself so much from work last week that I was just too tired to go. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, reading through a good chunk of this post made me feel like I was going through an otaku mid-life crisis. Now I have the sudden urge to buy out all the anime in a Best Buy and drive back in a new Porsche convertible. But to get back to subject&#8230;</p>
<p>I find this not about otaku elitism but more about being an enlightened anime fan. No matter how you slice it, anime culture is reflective of its source culture, Japan. In America, anime has grown along more or less with sci-fi, fantasy and nerd culture. The unfortunate result is this culture disconnect. Mainstream American anime fans still mostly equate anime to a Western sci-fi, fantasy and action cartoon art form. Many don&#8217;t realize that there is an inherent Asian culture behind anime. This is why moe culture still has not been respected by mainstream American anime fandom. There&#8217;s no Western culture equivalent to moe. Thus, moe has become a disgusting anime anomaly in the Western mindset.</p>
<p>As for feeling bad about your fellow American otaku, that&#8217;s understandable. I find myself recommending shows which reveal elements of Japanese culture to these kinds of fans more often. I often consider myself a purveyor of Asian culture along with promoting anime culture. If anything, at least those unenlightened (cuz saying &#8220;stupid&#8221; is kinda mean) fans went to a cherry blossom festival and at least experienced some traditional Asian culture.</p>
<p>Yay for cherry blossom festivals. Philadelphia had theirs last weekend as well. But I burned myself so much from work last week that I was just too tired to go. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why?  I don't think any group enjoys being made fun of by others.  When there are elements of the group that are sticking their necks out, the feelings associated with these actions aren't snobby - they're natural.  Success would be great, if they can pull it off.  People will not find anime fans so weird.  But failure means just one more instance for people to point out how weird anime fans are, despite that the majority are not cosplayers (I'm guessing on that one here).  As for me, if I was there, I wouldn't want to stand around and watch what could be a potential train wreck, but I'm a pessimist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why?  I don&#8217;t think any group enjoys being made fun of by others.  When there are elements of the group that are sticking their necks out, the feelings associated with these actions aren&#8217;t snobby - they&#8217;re natural.  Success would be great, if they can pull it off.  People will not find anime fans so weird.  But failure means just one more instance for people to point out how weird anime fans are, despite that the majority are not cosplayers (I&#8217;m guessing on that one here).  As for me, if I was there, I wouldn&#8217;t want to stand around and watch what could be a potential train wreck, but I&#8217;m a pessimist.</p>
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